Joe Flacco’s ineptitude last Sunday against the Bengals has been the dominant topic of websites and sports talk radio across the Land of Pleasant Living. Early on the “Bench Flacco” lunatics were in full force but as the week progressed and decompression amongst fans set in, such irrational panic driven opinions slowly made their way to their proper burial grounds.
Our poll question on Ravens24x7.com from Sunday through Thursday asked, "Obviously struggling, should John Harbaugh have pulled Joe Flacco against the Bengals in favor of Mark Bulger?"
Early on “yes” had a comfortable lead over “no.” But as the week wore on Ravens fans cut No. 5 a little slack and in the end, 57% answered “no.”
The No’s are wrong.
Flacco should have been benched.
No not permanently but at least during the fourth quarter.
And don’t sit there and suggest that this isn’t baseball and that you can’t yank your starting quarterback in the same manner that Buck Showalter yanks Kevin Millwood in the fifth inning after serving up puss to opposing hitters.
Why not?
Why couldn’t John Harbaugh go to Flacco and say, “Look Joe, you just don’t have it today. In fact over the last 3 outings against the Bengals, you haven’t had it. We’ll study the game tape, break it down and figure it out. But for now, I’m going to let Marc Bulger take a shot at these guys and tomorrow we’ll start getting you ready for the Browns.”
What is wrong with that?
Wouldn’t the call for Bulger have improved the Ravens’ chances on Sunday? Didn’t Ozzie Newsome decide to bring Bulger to Baltimore for $3.8 million in order to be a competent back up – to spell Flacco when no one told him there’d be days like these?
Oh so you say that pulling Flacco would undermine his confidence going forward, eh?
To borrow from Chad Ochocinco, “Child please!”
If your starting quarterback has his little feelings hurt because he was pulled out when he stunk up the Ohio River area, is he really the franchise quarterback that you want to build your team around? Do you think your team’s future poster child is going to sulk when a little adversity sets in? And if so do you want a mentally soft guy like that guiding your team’s future.
Look I’ve never approached the level of a professional when it comes to athletics but I can tell you this…if I were benched I’d be embarrassed and determined never to let it happen again. And if in the process of that lesson my team actually won AND I’m now more determined, well double plus for the good guys then, right?
I don’t think Flacco is soft mentally despite the regular comparisons of him to a deer in headlights (which on Sunday was an insult to the deer). And I do think that given his mental make-up and Harbaugh’s management skills (see how Willis McGahee responded to his stay in the Harbaugh doghouse) everything would have been just fine if Flacco was taken out and maybe the Ravens are now staring at 2-0 instead of 1-1. Maybe that quick release of Bulger’s was the answer to the Bengals pass rush and closing skills of their DB’s.
But we’ll never know.
All is not lost. Harbaugh probably learned from his reluctance to give Flacco the hook and maybe next time his starting QB struggles immensely, his trigger finger will be a bit more twitchy.
Like say, against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
What’s our name?
Ravens!
Not Joe Flacco.
Just sayin’…
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Tony Lombardi
Posted On: 9/27/10 10:10 pm
John,
Thanks for the advice. Where should I send the check?
John
Posted On: 9/27/10 8:02 pm
Yeah, it really takes stones to blog. Enjoy your bashing, I hope that in a few years you'll finally see what we have in Flacco. In the meantime, keep up the fantastic, competent analysis. Maybe you can work your way to a real media job.
Tony Lombardi
Posted On: 9/27/10 12:33 pm
John,
Just what I expected from you.
No stones.
Good luck in all you do...
John
Posted On: 9/27/10 11:12 am
Wow, that's how easy it is to become a blogger on this website? No wonder you suck...is that how you got your job, arguing with someone via comment board?
When did I say I was a former player? Looks like you have the bad habit...
Tony Lombardi
Posted On: 9/27/10 5:25 am
John,
You seem to have a bad habit of interpreting what you think I mean or have implied and then using your intepretation as evidence of something I said. That's messed up.
But since you seem to know so much and in your mind I don't, let this serve as an official invitiation on the part of Ravens24x7.com for you to blog for us.
Don't say to don't have the time. From your commitment to this column you do. But do you have the stones? I hope you do since as a former player you could bring so much insight.
Ready to play ball? Really... No hard feelings.
We'd just like to be more relevant since in your mind I am just the opposite and perhaps there are a folks out there who agree with you.
Bring it on John!
John
Posted On: 9/26/10 12:53 pm
@Tony
No, not selective reading. It just appears that you don't understand the implications of players WANTING their starting QB benched. Anyone who comes out of half time thinking "they should put Bulger in" has clearly lost confidence in Flacco. I find it hard to believe that they would reach that level of concern after 2 interceptions.
You said "Did you know that some key Ravens players in the locker room have already questioned why Flacco didn't get the hook?" His final two interceptions came late in the game, and he had a touch down drive early in the second half. What you're saying implies that "key Ravens players" lost confidence in their QB after 2 interceptions in a half of football. As I said, I find that hard to believe. Of course, I can't disprove it, and you can't mention their names, so it's not really a debate. However, it's pretty clear that you don't believe that Flacco "has what it takes." Like many other fans, you've made a premature judgment based on not much evidence. You appear not to understand some of the intricacies of building an offense, based on your statement in another article that the Ravens have surrounded Flacco with everything he needs, and therefore he has no excuses for any bad performances, even in week 2. Fans just don't get it, but any former football player could tell you that it takes time to integrate players into a system, especially receivers.
Anyway, your opinion that benching your starter is no big deal is what really gives away your lack of understanding. I have yet to see one competent analyst suggest that pulling your starter in week 2 after a bad half is not a big deal. It's simply incorrect, and nothing you say changes that. You can imagine all you want how you'd feel in that situation, but you are irrelevant. Fans and/or poor analysts often think that they can just use thought experiments to gain understanding, but it usually doesn't work that way.
Tony Lombardi
Posted On: 9/26/10 8:45 am
@ John...selective reading?
"I find it hard to believe that many of the players have just totally lost confidence in him."
Never said "many" and never said "totally"
In fact I never said "lost confidence."
Hopefully Flacco will show up today AND in Pittsburgh and we can table these debates indefinitely. Until then, can't we all just get along. After all it's purple than runs through our veins...
John
Posted On: 9/25/10 11:08 pm
Tony,
No, I did not know that Ravens players have said that. You must be an "insider," although I find it hard to believe that any players thought that Marc Bulger should come in and throw it all over the place against the Bengals' very good corners, with mediocre at best protection. I would think that the players, especially Ray Rice, are more concerned about Cam Cameron's brain farts. It's obvious to most intelligent football observers that this game was not all Flacco's fault, so I find it hard to believe that many of the players have just totally lost confidence in him. Read sadsda's points as well.
@jws
You're a moron, Flacco has not struggled in ALL playoff games, and no one compared him to Brady or Manning. The point is that every great QB has had these games, and people like you were probably saying the same things about them at the time. Keep typing in all caps, it really accentuates your stupidity.
sadsda
Posted On: 9/25/10 9:25 pm
Flacco came out of the half with a great touchdown drive. Otherwise he probably would have gotten benched in the 3rd quarter. Halfway through the fourth quarter isn't going to help. Bulger is not going to get into rhythm that fast. And the last two picks Flacco through weren't his fault:
1) Deflected at line, shit happens sometimes.
2) Desperation 4th down chuck because game was ending anyway if he didn't do something.
The real question has nothing to do with Flacco. The real question is why when you have seven defenders in zone coverage and your pro-bowl running back is starting to break big runs do you stick to throwing on 75% of downs with a QB that is clearly not in the zone.
jws
Posted On: 9/25/10 8:48 pm
WHAT STUPID ASS OPINIONS FROM THE NORMAL FAN THAT CALLS TALK RADIO. TONY YOU ARE RIGHT ON AS USUAL. COMPARING BRADY OR MANNING IN ANY WAY TO A QB THAT HAS STRUGGLED FOR 15 GAMES AND ALL PLAYOFF GAMES IS SO STUPID IT IS NOT WORTH COMMENTED ON. FLACCO DESERVES TO SIT. HOW LONG IS A COACHES DECISION. BUT A PLAYER WHO HAS SHOWN HE DOES NOT PERFORM OR HAS NOT BE PRODUCTIVE DESERVES TO SIT. WATCH NFL NETWOR AND WATCH PLAYBOOK AND WATCH THIS QBS MENTAL SLOWNESS AT NOT ONLY READING DEFENSES AND GETTING RID OF THE BALL TO SHORT RECEIVERS TOO EARLY AND NOT WAITING FOR RECEIVERS TO COMPLETE THEIR PASS ROUTES AND THROWING OFF HIS BACK FOOT AND THROWING BEHIND RECEIVERS NOT LAEDING THEM IN THEIT ROUTES AND HOW RECEIVERS HAVE LOOKED AT AND REACTED TO HIS THROWS. FLACCO DOES NOT REACT AS QUICKLY AS A GOOD NFL QB NEEDS TO AND LACKS CERTAIN NFL QUALITY SKILLS. GIVE ME A BREAK WITH THESE FLACCO BACKERS !
Tony Lombardi
Posted On: 9/25/10 6:13 pm
Hey John,
Did you know that some key Ravens players in the locker room have already questioned why Flacco didn't get the hook? Probably not so I'll give you a pass there since you don't have access. That's not your fault.
Those players mentioned (without naming names) believe as I do that one bad day and a change up at QB does not suggest that the team doesn't believe in a player. It just means they believe in Bulger to come in a give a little jolt to the offense on one bad day in Ohio.
Love your passion though but if you don't like what this "loudmouth" has to say, why bother reading...really.
John
Posted On: 9/25/10 4:03 pm
It's not all about the QBs confidence. It's about the coaches asking the players to trust in someone, and then sending a message that they don't trust him. Sending a contradictory message like that DESTROYS a locker room. You speculate about what you might feel if you were a QB, but again, you know NOTHING about it! You're just saying things, but you have no idea what you're talking about! Maybe the Pats should have pulled Brady in the playoffs against us last season. Yeah, that sounds like a great idea, I wonder why Belichick didn't do it?
John
Posted On: 9/25/10 3:56 pm
You know nothing about coaching football. What a stupid opinion, take out your starter in the middle of one bad game (and the level of bad wasn't at all unprecedented, many great QBs have had worse). Do you have any idea what that would do to the locker room? The confidence of the players in the offense and the coaches? No, you don't. You're just a loudmouth with a totally uninformed opinion.
Dave
Posted On: 9/25/10 11:13 am
Finally....someone who thinks that the starting quarterback needs to earn that position. I found it interesting the Jeff Fisher, when asked the question after he sat Vince Young for Kerry Collins, said "I'm not concerned about a guy's psyche. I'm trying to win a football game." With just 16 games in a season, you can't afford to concede any of them.
That loss will come back to haunt us, whether it's getting home field advantage, or just making the playoffs. Harbaugh should have yanked Flacco in the second half.
CRZA938
Posted On: 9/25/10 8:24 am
I agree Flacco is the starter and our long term solution, but I have no problem with anything you've written. Everyone watching the game knew without a doubt that our last drive wasn't going anywhere. You could have given them 50 last drives and the result was going to be the same.
Eastern Sho Ravens Fan
Posted On: 9/25/10 8:15 am
Tony,
I have to admit you really pissed me off with the two most recent articles about Flacco. But then I thought that maybe you had a point and then I re-read them trying to think more open minded and not so much from the standpoint of a fan who wears a Flacco jersey to every game.
I feel you. You are kind of like a coach or a parent dishing out some tough love and I see your points. I'm sure you've caught a lot of Flack (pun intended) on these articles but sometimes the truth hurts. Let's hope Joe is a tough mentally as you think.
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