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MAILBAG: Is Joe Flacco a "franchise quarterback"?

This week’s meltdown in Seattle seems to have pushed several fans over the edge. And on that note I present to you perhaps a long overdue edition of Letters to TL…

What in the world is going on with Sergio Kindle? The Ravens pass rush has been subpar for a few games and I would think his speed off the edge would help. Jeff in Bel Air

Jeff, from what I’ve been told the collateral damage from the skull fracture that Kindle suffered back in 2010 when he fell down that flight of steps in Austin, TX is a loss of hearing in his left ear. That creates problems for Kindle as it relates to pre-snap defensive adjustments. It may be that Kindle never amounts to anything more than a situational pass rusher and special teams and even that might be an optimistic outlook.

For the life of me I can’t understand how the Ravens abandon the running game so quickly. Why is this team so pass happy and when will they realize how important it is to just say, “Run Ray Run”? ~ Jim in Elkton, MD

Jim, I think your frustrations speak for many fans and I’m right there with you. From what I can tell the Ravens just don’t have confidence in the running game because they quickly abandon it if it struggles early. The Ravens just don’t have the talent offensively to emulate a Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers aerial assault so they need to keep teams honest with the run. If they don’t iron out those issues now, they will be even more pronounced when the colder weather sets in.

Do you think that the Ravens are limiting Ray Rice’s carries to minimize his stats and lower his contract demands in the offseason? Mike in Towson.

Mike, I don’t think that even weighs on the minds of John Harbaugh or Cam Cameron and I’m pretty sure that Ozzie Newsome would not endorse such a conspiracy. They should be all about winning and utilizing all of their resources to achieve a championship.

When Steve Bisciotti joined us earlier this month on the Ravens Rap, he said that the Ravens have been told that Rice is a $10 M/year back. Many are concerned about the longevity of backs in the NFL and some even point to the monster contracts of the Titans’ Chris Johnson and the Panthers’ DeAngelo Williams as warning signals that the Ravens shouldn’t take that big plunge on a running back.

I can tell you that Bisciotti sees Rice as a long-term Raven and he seems prepared to pay the man. A couple of things lend favorably to a long-term deal with Rice. First the notion that the life expectancy of an NFL back is less than 3 years is highly exaggerated. Keep in mind that is an average of all running backs which includes the many who are in the league a year or less and don’t measure up.

Secondly, Rice is a small compact runner and he doesn’t really absorb many crushing blows the way a bigger back might. Defenders have to break down in order to tackle Rice and in the process they slow down lessening the impact of the blow. Bigger defenders who can get their hands on Rice simply pull him down. Either way, he doesn’t absorb the big punishment and that too makes it more likely for him to play out a new contract to its end.

What do the Ravens see in David Reed? The guy has played a year and a half and he’s still looking for his first catch AND he is a turnover machine in special teams. Bob in Glen Arm

Ravens players, coaches and scouts have all spoken highly of Reed’s production on the scout team during practice and as a result, he dresses on Sunday. But some guys aren’t quite as productive when you introduce the threat of contact. David Reed for me seems like one of those guys and that limits what he can do offensively. I highly doubt they will trust him to reach for a pass across the middle and without top end speed you can’t build a career running 9 routes and reverses.

Reed is an effective gunner on punts but I don’t think it’s enough to keep him around much longer (see Marcus Smith) unless he can prove that his wretched performance in Seattle was an aberration. The question is, will the Ravens even give him a chance to prove it wasn’t?

You see many quarterbacks, even the best ones wearing wrist bands with a list of plays. Why do they do this and why don’t the Ravens do it? Lisa in Timonium

Lisa, the wrist band helps speed up the play call. NFL head coaches or offensive coordinators will call a numbered play in to the quarterback via their headset that corresponds to the carefully mapped out wrist band worn by the QB. It shortens the time to get a play to the quarterback and then to the other 10 players in the huddle and allows the team to get to the line of scrimmage sooner affording them the luxury of added time to make pre-snap reads and/or adjustments. I’m not sure why the Ravens don’t do that – probably just a preference but if it works for Tom Brady it should work for Joe Flacco.

Do you think that Joe Flacco is a franchise quarterback and what do you think it will take to re-sign him after the 2012 season? Jen in Eldersburg

Jen, I think the term “franchise quarterback” has a loosely defined meaning. Some use it as a synonym for elite and if that’s your intent, then no, Joe Flacco is not elite and I don’t ever see a day when he will be elite which for the record and in my opinion, means a top 5 QB in the league.

Elite quarterbacks don’t become elite overnight. They work at perfecting their craft through film study and refining the finer points of quarterbacking. Aaron Rodgers over the weekend informed the ESPN broadcast team during production meetings that to be an elite QB you have to want to be great. And wanting isn’t just saying it. It means putting in the work to become elite.

How quick is their release? Do they possess good ball handling skills? Are they leaders and do they move their team to and from the huddle with precision and purpose? How do they process post snap adjustments by the defense? Do they throw to spots before the receiver arrives? Do they use cadence to create advantages for the offense?

I don’t see Flacco doing many of these things and for me that means he isn’t driven to become great. Placing blame on his coaching is fair but I also think Flacco needs to take some of those things upon himself and from where I sit, I don’t see much difference in Joe from his rookie season as it relates to these aforementioned nuances of becoming an elite QB.

As for re-signing him, I do think the Ravens will do that and they’ll pay him commensurately. Back to Steve Bisciotti for a moment, we asked him what it might take to sign Flacco -- $40-45 million guaranteed. Bisciotti’s reply, “It won’t take that much.”

Stay tuned and keep an eye on what happens with Matt Ryan’s contract situation. That could be an effective gauge for what it will take to extend Flacco.


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Luigi
Posted On: 11/16/11 6:58 pm
JWS, is Josh your son?
Josh
Posted On: 11/16/11 2:48 pm
Hey, One Eye...I guess that means he just doesn't want to be great. Dumb, dumb, dumb. You, Tony and the rest of the blame spewers are going to be very upset when he leaves Baltimore after his rookie contract is up and we have to start all over again...
Luigi
Posted On: 11/16/11 10:13 am
JWS, stop humoring yourself if you think Tony reads your articles. It's hard enough to read your posts here so why bother with your articles. And what is "Ken's website." If your style is indicative of "Ken's website" I think I'd rather go for Barbie.

Now JWS' chest pounding aside this issue with Kindle's hearing isn't going away. Maybe they can get some sort of hearing aid but regardless this unfortunate accident will render Kindle a one-dimensional player. The guy can't even get on special teams and suit up on Sunday. That's pretty sad for Kindle. I think he's a guy that needs a solid career to turn his life around and this won't help him.
jws
Posted On: 11/16/11 10:02 am
I can see you read my articles on Ken's website and we are on the same page now on most issues.. The term "franchised" is not what it means in other usage for NFL quarterbacks. In the NFL the correct words are "Long term" and that is what QBS are today that sign 5-7 year deals for many millions of dolars. That now is the nature of the business in today's NFL. So Flacco will be a long term investment right or wrong,good or bad until injuries occur so next year is placed on him. Franchised is a short term NFL term that should be used for all players teams cannot sign when they are eligible to become a free agent,one tag per team of course. Suggs,Nagata and next year most like Rice are franchised players. Rice should not get a 10 million dollar offer next year or ever. Ozzie may play his game of see what he is offered by 2013. Since they can only tag one then Flacco must get a new over [aid contract before 2012 season or lose Rice.
One Eye
Posted On: 11/16/11 9:55 am
Josh
Are you one of those who defends Joe no matter what...Joe show flashes of greatness from time to time but his inability to throw accurately from drive to drive shows a lack of preparation with his basic mechanics as an NFL QB along with with his slowly developing read of the field of play. Flacco wont be great until his footwork, basic mechanics & his speed improves reading the field just to name a few...
Matt
Posted On: 11/16/11 8:12 am
What's asinine is how many people blindly defend Joe as though he's our savior. He's not a terrible QB and he has a lot of potential to make big plays and drives when we need them. But consistency is key and he hasn't demonstrated much of it. It would really help if he stopped overthrowing our receivers all of the time, too.
Tony Lombardi
Posted On: 11/16/11 7:20 am
The fact that he hasn't improved in the finer points of quarterbacking even if it was on his own suggests to me that he doesn't want to be great. And yes that's my opinion. Please by all means show me evidence that supports that I'm wrong.
Josh
Posted On: 11/16/11 5:27 am
I know it is strictly your opinion, but suggesting Flacco does not want to become great is one of the most asinine comments I have ever seen regarding Joe. I don't know how you can make that call unless you are around him and the Ravens' facility all day, every day. I have seen a lot of outrageous comments regarding the QB of our team, but that one may take the cake.



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