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Decision to move away from McDaniel College doesn't sit well
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Diehard Ravens fan questions team's commitment to fans

Many Ravens fans are upset about the team’s decision to not host training camp at McDaniel College next summer. I opined on this topic this past Saturday in a piece entitled A Summer Tradition is no More.

Even prior to committing my livelihood to covering the team, I made regular trips out to McDaniel. It became a traditional day with the boys that included an early morning round of golf, followed by lunch and then the afternoon practice, usually in sweltering conditions.

Well I guess we’ll always have those memories…

But back to those upset fans…

I consider myself a fan as well only with a little bit more access. And it has been my experience that the Ravens usually come around to appeasing their “customers.” And while taking away a tradition hardly qualifies as appeasement, I do believe that the Ravens have some other new and exciting things in store that will offset the loss of McDaniel sojourns and replace them with new traditions.

Time will tell if this is purely Pollyanna on my part.

Others are quicker to judge and I’m not suggesting either response is right or wrong only different. Here’s one of those differing opinions presented to me over the weekend. Perhaps you agree.

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Mr. Bisciotti,

I must start out by saying that it has been a pleasure having you as the owner of the Baltimore Ravens and that you run the organization in a first class way and that you make me proud to be a huge fan of the team and a season ticket holder.

However today's decision to move training camp to the Castle and away from McDaniel College in Westminster has saddened and maybe disillusioned me to some aspect, of how much the fans really mean to the organization. We must mean something when Ed Reed in the pregame before the 49er's game says "let's go win this for the people of Baltimore, the people that we have fed the last 2 weeks." But this decision goes in the exact opposite direction. I normally attend training camp one or two times a year and for me it's a nice chance to see the players that I'll see in action at M & T Bank during the year. It is a very nice time and a chance to see the rookies, but it means less to me than most of the people who attend training camp. A lot of the fans who come out to camp do not go to the games. There are parents who bring their kids out to see the heroes that they will root for all year on TV. This is their only chance to see and interact with the players that the kids consider larger than life.

As for the fact that "we believe we can better prepare for the season by holding training camp here as opposed to McDaniel College or any other facility away from here," imagine how much better the Green Bay Packers would be if they had held training camp at their facility instead of at St. Norbert College in De Pere, WI.  Over the years I have heard many references to the fact that "we would like to emulate the success that the Pittsburgh Steelers have had." Damn, imagine how good they would be if they held training camp at their facility instead of at St. Vincent's in Latrobe, PA. I apologize for the sarcasm, but to me that argument doesn't hold water. I truly believe that getting the players off the team campus and in a different setting builds unity and team bonding.

I'm sure that it's a hell of a lot easier for the team and all the personnel to not move from Owings Mills to Westminster, but as Dick Cass said, it doesn't cost the team anything monetarily because of sponsors. Some of the excitement that you build with your fan base will be lost if you get rid of training camp at McDaniel.

As you stated you have mixed feeling on this. Some of your fondest memories as a kid were from attending Colts training camps in Westminster. Mine too, almost getting bulldozed by Ray Perkins on an over thrown pass. Because of that 10 second experience I became a devout Colts fan and a Ray Perkins fan, following the Colts until they left, and a Ray Perkins fan as he coached Alabama and the NY Giants. I became a Giants fan when we did not have a team here just because of that experience with Ray Perkins. But as soon as we got a team back I became a Baltimore Ravens fan and continue to be one today because of that training camp.

You now have the chance to continue to create lifelong memories for this generation of young Ravens fans. In today's society of ever vanishing traditions, let this one continue.

Jim Roark

 

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Andy in Hagerstown
Posted On: 12/8/11 5:23 pm
I guess I'm one of the few that understands the move. I actually blame the new collective bargaining agreement for this. With fewer OTA's, fewer padded practices and fewer practices in general it puts that time at a premium. The coaches have less time on the practice field with the players, less time to coach them up in live drills. While the Westminster experience is wonderful and I have been there many times it is no longer condusive to winning football in my opinion. I would bet that if we never had the strike and new collective bargaining agreement we wouldn't be having this discussion.

The number one priority of a football team is to win games and be prepared to do that each day. I kinda had a feeling this was coming and it is very sad but I understand why the Ravens are doing it and I support my team. I believe they will make this right in some way. If they don't then I would have an issue with this.
Lori Zellefrow
Posted On: 12/8/11 5:05 pm
Excellent letter, Jim...you've said it all. Community involvement is a big part of what the Ravens are, and the McDaniel training camp keeps that connection alive for so many of us.
Eddie Griffith
Posted On: 12/8/11 12:49 pm
C'mon Steve I know you are an awesome owner who loves the fans, I love the Ravens but am saddened by this decision honestly it feels the same as when Colts left
Shame!
Dawn Geigan
Posted On: 12/7/11 11:10 pm
I also agree with Jim. Let’s keep Training Camp in Westminster.
As a resident of Westminster, I can tell you that this is a huge disappointment for us. Ravens Training Camp was a tradition that we looked forward to every year. It was our “Purple Christmas in July”, if you will. It was like everyone’s favorite relatives were coming to town and we couldn’t wait. The excitement would start to build within the community as you knew you were getting closer to the team’s arrival. Everyone would be wearing purple. Local business owners and residents would be putting their Ravens flags out to welcome the team and the fans to town. The excitement was real and it was palpable. The fans would come in droves along with the media. Like many other residents of Westminster, I have met many of the players and a few of the coaches during this time. Westminster residents understand that we don’t mob them here. We respect what they do and want them to feel comfortable when they are here. Many of the players would strike up conversations with us. We’ve shared quite a few conversations and laughs which are experiences that I am certain we would have never had at a game. This connection to the team is something we will surely miss, if this decision stands.
Attending Training Camp was awesome because it is an experience unlike a game where you see the hard work of the players and coaches and everyone involved in the process. You see how much preparation goes into it. Seeing the children marvel when their heroes gave them autographs was truly heartwarming. I believe those experiences are what makes them lifelong fans. Those young fans are tomorrow’s adult fans. They should be seen not just as young fans, but also as an investment to this football club. As an adult I am very disappointed, however for the children, it is just so sad to see this go by the wayside.
I still love the Ravens. Nothing is going to change that. However, I can only try to make the voice of one more disappointed fan resonate. I do hope that the powers that be will decide to return to Westminster once again.
Chris Kessler
Posted On: 12/7/11 10:51 pm
Jim,

100% on the mark. I used to take my son who is 19 to many summer practices when he was small. As a Reisterstown Mustang growing up he would meet the players and they would give him football advice to use in his games. He and I loved the experience. This should not be taken from a future generation who love the opportunity of meeting the player.

Chris Kessler
Danny Kraft
Posted On: 12/7/11 9:24 pm
Jim,Your exactly right ! It's been almost a week since this decision and as far as I know Steve Biscotti hasn't addressed this issue which is really surprising . My son who is 9 and I have been going to training camp since he was in a stroller and we look foward to that close bond with the players and getting that up close and personal feeling . He has several footballs with plenty of autographs that he has accumulated over the years even with the latest autograph policy that went into effect last year .When the lockout happened last year and they didn't travel to Westminster I kinda thought in the back of my mind that this day would come and then said No the Ravens would never do that to the fans that love and support them so much ! Wrong ! Even with the new rule in effect as far as amount of practices per day goes it just really saddens me that this tradition of summer practice at Westminster will end for my son and I as well as all other Ravens fans .Yes I'am still a die hard Ravens fan and am fortunate to have season tickets but it just won't be the same this summer not heading to westminster at least 3 or 4times during camp . I guess worst of all is the reason the Ravens gave which were very lame ! Last time I checked it doesn't take that long to get from the Castle to McDaniel especially with there typical police escort .The whole thing stinks ! Come on Mr. Biscotti reconsider or atleast give us your thoughts . Thanks
ctp
Posted On: 12/7/11 8:29 pm
I agree Jim, keep camp in Westminster
Jerry Knop
Posted On: 12/7/11 3:52 pm
I also agree with Jim on this one. He makes a valid point about placing the team in a different setting builds unity and team bonding. I equate this example with a retreat. Whether it is religious or secular, it helps to bond friendships, builds comradery amongst the players, and helps the players (especially the new rookies)to remain focused on the task before them. These are trademarks of a winning team.
Another aspect to consider are the business in the area that have relied on the team financially to bring in the visitors who come out to watch the Ravens practice.
There are times when we all need change, but this is not one of those times. I feel this change will have an adverse effect on both the fans and the team.
Carol Payne
Posted On: 12/7/11 1:29 pm
I agree with Jim. The Ravens need to think about the families and what they are taking away from them. Sitting in the stands at M&T cannot be compared to standing 2 feet away and being able to really be a part of everything.
Keith F.
Posted On: 12/7/11 12:57 pm
Great post Jim. As someone who has enjoyed taking his family to Westminster for training camps and is not fortunate enough to be a season ticket holder, I find this decision by the Ravens organization to be totally self-serving and flat-out egomaniacal.
The reasons given basically hold no water. Given sponsorships, it's not costing the organization much, if any at all. The facilities and hotels are not up to date enough? Give me a break! I guess places like Latrobe, PA, Carlisle, PA and De Pere, WI are way more advanced than Westminster, MD. I think not. At this time, the Packers are undefeated, the Steelers are 9-3, and the Ravens are 9-3 without much in the way to a pre-season. So I don't think there's a huge edge to the Castle as opposed to the Best Western and McDaniel College when it comes to ramping up your team for the season.
What Bisciotti and the rest of his minions have done is hit the fans where it hurts the most, the Heart, and not the pocketbook. Fans will scratch and claw their way to paying the egregious prices for tickets, concessions and merchandise because they in some way, shape or form, can and will find a way to do so. Ripping away the tradition and connection that fans and families have developed through the training camp ritual though, is a serious blow to the psyche. Basically stated, the organization does not care and the players, who are fortunate enough to live their dream, do not care. Sleep well Mr. Bisciotti. Obviously you have no conscience.
Dr Phud
Posted On: 12/7/11 10:21 am
Jim is right on with his letter. The question which the Ravens have not addresses is "Will they loose a generation of fans because of this action?" Time will tell. Being old enough to remember the joy which came to Baltimore when the Colts came to Baltimore I also remember the closeness the players had with the community. This was a symbiotic relations -- the Colts fed on the energy of the people and the people fed on the energy of the Colts. The same must take place with the Ravens and the fans. I am a season ticket holder, from day one, who lives in PA.
Joel Feldman
Posted On: 12/7/11 9:34 am
I am split on this decision. On one hand, Jim makes a great point about the fans who are not able to attend the games. For my son and I to got to a game, it is $220 for tickets, $20 for gas, $25 for parking and $30 for food and drink. Call it $300!!! That is not a very easy thing for the average blue collar family to afford, so if you can take your kid to Westminster for $20 -$30 for the day, you may create a fan for life. On the other hand, in the GM and coach truly believe that they can be a better, more competitive team by practicing at home, then I will respect that. I don't believe that is the case seeing as we have been very competitive every year, so maybe it is a "if it ain't broke then don't fix it thing". I will admit it seems as if the fans are the ones who lose in the end.
David Spampinato
Posted On: 12/7/11 9:29 am
Excellent response, Jim! Like Jim stated, let's not forget the fact that for many diehard Ravens fans, training camp is their only opportunity to see their team up close and personal. The experience of watching & listening to the players talking "smack" during practice or just enjoying the atmosphere among players and fans means a great deal to many fans. Let's not take this great tradition away just for a little convenience. Rethink your priorities and go with your gut, Steve!
Jay Payne
Posted On: 12/7/11 9:27 am
AMEN The entire area of fans has been affected by this decision

THANKS for NOT caring !!!
Kim Abel
Posted On: 12/7/11 9:01 am
Very well stated Jim! Being a life long football fan with fond memories of training camp for the Baltimore Colts and now in the Ravens era, training camp in Westminster, I cannot believe that we will no longer have access to watch OUR team! I can only hope that they will reconsider their decision and bring the training camp back to Westminster and the fans that support this team each and every year!
Janice Meharg
Posted On: 12/7/11 8:08 am
Janice Aiken Meharg
We have been constantly reading that the Ravens organization feels they have the best fans in the world and how they ,us fans, are totally behind this team.....bah humbug as they talk out of the other side of the face. Now as they whip us into a frenzy anticipating the playoffs and a super bowl run they yank the rug out from under us. I tried to understand it from a business and logistic point of view but as the days go by I become more hurt and angry. The tradition of Westminster Training Camp is part of the Ravens-Fan love fest...a huge part to the large amount of fans who do not live near Baltimore and support this team. Just another $$ and bs move from one more business in the good ole USA.
Merlene Amoss
Posted On: 12/7/11 8:05 am
I'm not sad, I'm totally pissed off, I live in Pa. and being able to travel down to Westminster and spend the day with my son watching the Ravens practice was a real treat for both of us. I can't afford to go to the games, I would need 3 full time jobs to pay for it, it's crazy. McDaniel's was perfect for us, it was only 45 minutes away from home, plus easy to find (Lived in Westminster 14 yrs). They expect fans to go to M&T now for only 3 outings? not this fan not in all that craziness. Guess I'll have to rely on the internet for my Ravens updates. Hope Bisciotti realizes what he has taken away from the fans. Shame on him.
jws
Posted On: 12/7/11 6:55 am
Tony I don't know what the Ravens have in mind but a few work outs at M and T or other promotions will not be the same or enough. I have been going up there since 1956. I know families that plan vacations, a week off of work, around those visits. With the price of tickets many familes can not afford to go to games in today;s world. Some ideas that would make sense are: 1.all workouts that are allowed in pads be held at M and T.
2. A practice game with band, cheer leaders,on TV too and kids contest before and after the game,like our old white and blue scrimages we had in the 50's.
3. Not charging for personal signings of autographs,let Steve pick up that tab and have some signings that only covers certain age groups like one for only 8-10 yrs old,10-13 groups no adult signings in thses special events and all top players must attend. It won't make it right but it is a start. I wonder if in a year or to,Ravens change this policy. Nad are back up there.



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